Experiencing the full nature of God

4th March 2013

GH: Yeah, ok go ahead
Meena: 'There is a great increase.. ..in mellow of the unwented conjugal mood, such love is found nowhere but in Vraja. This mood is unbounded in the Damsels of Vraja, but among them it finds it's perfection through Sri Radha. Her pure mature love surpasses that of all others, her love is the cause of Krishna tasting the sweetness of the conjugal relationship. Therefore Lord Gauranga, who is Sri Hari himself, accepted the sentiments of Radha, and thus forfilled his own desires.'
GH: You know, this is a very deep thing. This is one of the realisations that were coming, it's like see Radha is the cause of Krishna tasting that Rasa so we see the Lila externally manifest, yet Krishna, to taste that Rasa, actually internally has to have a qualified devotee to do it. Because if the devotees not interested in that Rasa then Krishna cannot taste it. Because where is Krishna and Radharani? In the heart, just like in everybody else. So for Krishna to find such a perfect place and receptacle, is Radharani, because he tastes that Rasa in her heart. See, also externally too but if he doesn't have a qualified person who has that desire to worship him like that in the conjugal mellow, in its most mature stage, he's out he's out of it see he needs a qualified person and Radharani is the most qualified. So he tastes it both places, one is in the heart, and one is in the Lila which he shows externally. So you see how qualified that person has to have to give Krishna pleasure? In the heart of the devotee like this see that's you know she, its very qualified, and the strength of her love you know that she is able to, her particular love is conjugal in it's most mature phase. So that's why she is considered the best devotee, she gives Krishna the most pleasure because of her mature level of devotion and love. In her own heart because that's where she resides you know he is tasting it there to. ...Just wanted to throw that out.
Meena: Krishnadas says that this love is unbounded in the damsels of Vraja, but among them it finds its perfection in Sri Radha. So they all have that mood.
GH: Yeah they have that mood but it is mature in her. Thats why her love is mature in the sense that, the ecstatic symptoms and everything is like, they are not showing that kind of ecstacy on the other gopis. Just like on Ramananda Roy and Swarupa Damodara couldn't exhibit the ecstasy of Lord Chaitanya. Because it was like Radharani was right there. It was phenomenal for them to even see, thats why they say Radharani is the greatest devotee because she has the deepest love and ecstasy. You Know. OK.
Meena: Lord Chaitanya is the shelter of the demigods. The goal of the Upanishads. The be all and end all of the great sages. The beautiful shelter of his devotees. And the essence of Love for the lotus-eyed Gopis. Will he again be the object of my vision? Lord Krishna desired to taste the limitless nectarian mellows of the love of one of his multitude of loving damsels Sri Radha. So he has assumed the form of Lord Chaitanya, he has tasted that love while hiding his own dark complexion with her effulgent yellow colour. May that Lord Chaitanya confirm upon us his Grace.
GH; Mnhm You know there is something I would like to share here too. If a person attains the devotional potency, Um its very much they are very much like Krishna, and if they are in the mood of Vraja, you're gonna see two things; You're gonna see a devotee of Vraja who is almost like feminine, because of love you know, they have this kind of devotional quality, very soft. Its kind of like a woman thing you know, woman are very beautiful and very attractive and they like to look at themselves, you know stuff like that (laughing). They always want to be adored you know its a woman thing so where does all that come from? Well Vrndavan in its purified state. See and there's gonna be that masculine quality. Just like very similar Lord Chaitanya, he had both, the devotees are like that they have this Love that makes them very creative you know, creative inspired, they write poetry, they sing songs, they do all of these things. This is the sign of a devotee but they also have the masculine quality too. Much like Lord Chaitanya he was oscillating back and forth, until he started to go more into that, the Radha Bhava and just really relishing and almost totally like that. Yeah so, I didn't, it's amazing as you are reading all these kind of realisations are coming.
Meena: To accept ecstatic Love is the main reason he appeared and he reestablished the religious system for this age. I shall now explain that reason, everyone please listen.
GH: Yeah, before you go on this is a very interesting point. To accept ecstatic love is the main reason of his descent. See actually that is a very coded thing. So the Lord is come here, has descended here so that actually in his little Krishna form is to accept ecstatic Love. He's come to offer this and to have it accept here by the living entities here because this is going to give him more pleasure. He's such a pleasure seeker, but you know what? Our pleasure is in his pleasure but we just don't know that. You know, see. So his main reason to come here was to accept ecstatic love, he accepts it himself first and thats how he teaches and it induces the living entities to also accept it. Right , through him, because thats the only way, you can only get this ecstatic love through those you chant the holy names in devotional ecstasy. Lord Chaitanya said, not by regulated devotional service. You have to get it through those who are chanting like that, those who are tasting that kind of Bhava.
Meena: How come when you explain it it comes so clear? How come?
GH: How Come? Well because, thats the process. See the devotee, the only way you can know these verses is by tasting them. So the devotee is tasting these verses and simultaneously the conclusion is there. By the tasting, see those who have firm faith in a Boneafide guru and God and you know to the point where you have the mercy in this life or another another one. The deeper purport is revealed, because you gotta taste it, you relish that , then the meaning comes from the relish. Like Jiva Goswami when he was approached by Srinivas Narotama he said are you gonna teach me these Shastras? And he said no, you're going to taste these Shastras in the company of the devotee, Narotama, see? So by tasting these verses, usually in Sadhu Sangha like this, thats how you learn you taste and then the realisation comes, the conclusion the pure purport just like a blossoming flower happens, and when the devotees speak that conclusion, then it becomes clear for others , who listen, not everybody is. Its like Jesus said, only the father knows the son and only the son knows the father and the son can reveal the father to whom he chooses. So whoever choses to hear those madmen of Lord Chaitanya, who have become mad by tasting this Bhakti, drunkards intoxicated people, people chose to criticise them and step on them you listen there and then you will understand all these things. Cause what Lord Chaitanya was explaining to these verses in stuff like this to Sanatana Goswami he said I am one madman and my devotees are others, he said like Sarvabanam (?) is another. He said therefore he accepted my conclusion is truth. So if you love devotees and you just somehow or other, you now like Mary Magalene and like that song "I don't know why I love you, he's just a man" and like so many but he's very kinda different (laughter) Some how you just associate with devotees and you just love their eccentric crazy behavior then you can understand all these things because you'll listen. You think thats clear? To many people I've written these things so many times on facebook they look at they say "This is nonsense" see? But its because you have faith in the words with someone you think has some connection to Prabhupada. You can understand these things, the Lord opens this mystery to you, and others. The Lord reserves his right to reveal himself.
MV: Srila Prabhupada says that the Chaitanya Charitamrita begins at the level of Bhakti. It means exactly that, it dosn't impress the intellectual level as much anymore as this level of tasting the Rasa the relationship that Lord Chaitanya came to distribute. So it's on the level of taste, and of course the intellect by defacto gets cleared when all the revelations come by this Bhakti, but not the other way around actually you can not get get to that taste by the intellectual process. But the intellectual gets cleared and reveals things when this taste is..
GH: See it's hidden in that verse, this is so wonderful this conversation is amazing. Its hidden, this idea is in the verse Krishnadas Kaviraj wrote, it may be in this chapter or the previous one, or somewhere like that. But anyway he said by the strength of Radharani's love she can taste the sweetness of Krishna, so this taste is that Ladini Shakti, the taste, its a Rasa, its happiness personified, you know in Radharani. So with that taste, that particular kind of love, she can taste the collect the valuable, you could say collect the valuable jewels in the scriptures. See without that love and that tasting you cannot understand that verse. See the devotees have tasted it and then they just love to taste it again by you know speaking about it, and sharing what has been revealed, that is how you learn about Vrndavana mood you gotta hear from devotees that are relishing, thats taste of these verses, because its revealed to them, and then its revealed to us. Even the devotee who is tasting, if one is a devotee and qualified, he has to meet this devotee. See the Lord, its a communal thing, even if a person is a devotee he has to meet a devotee, thats why Krishdas Kaviraj said I must meet this write these scriptures to nourush the devotees. I just know right now just realised if I hadn't meet Chaitanya Charitamrita I would be lost, I'd be walking around like a ghost in this world. And that goes for all the devotees they meet the devotee Sat gurus, and they meet the scriptures and this just gives them life and nurturing and then they write scriptures based on what they read and then they get inspired and they write more. So it nurtures the devotee, we have to have association of devotees, always.
Meena: We have to become live wires.
GH: Has to be live wires, even in the scripture. So the book when the devotee is on the platform of this loving devotional service, see Krishna is in his heart but Krishna wakes up when one is doing devotional service, like hearing, chanting, remembering so the scripture is very important, see it wakes the devotees love up. Either you meet the devotee in the body, or you meet them in the scriptures, that kind of advanced devotee. The neophytes on the Vaidi Bhakti level is another thing,  because thats why the Acharyas they write for the neophytes really, here follow these rules and alot of basic things because that inspires those kind of persons they are used to to, just give me a order or an instruction. Like society is like that you know they just put a law and they just obey, obey authority. Well its the same thing on the scriptures, people are used to obeying, the scriptures are there just obey this, OK I can relate to that. And some who are pious will do that, they will obey the laws of God coming through the sages. Just like Moses, he was inspired to give the Law, he wasn't inspired, God says they are only qualified for the law they are having sex with their mothers and doing all these strange things and lying and killing, so give them the law thats all they can deal with. And later on the Lord inspired Jesus, and gave the Love of God, or the teachings that lead to that. The Lord through Prabhupada said lay down the law for these Hippies man, you know? You gotta give them this stuff they are smoking and drinking and wanton sex everytime, you know, give them a good restriction. And then the Lord will inspire the next phase, I think this is it.
Meena: Having first given hints about first describing the principle reason why the Lord appeared, now I shall manifest its full meaning. The loving affairs of Sri Radha and Krishna are transcendental manifestations of the Lords internal Pleasure giving potency. Although Radha and Krishna are one in their identity, they separated themselves eternally. Now these two transcendental identities have again united in the form of Sri Krishna Chaitanya, I bow down to him who has manifested himself with the sentiment and complexion of Srimati Radharani although he is Sri Krishna himself. Radha and Krishna are one and same but they have assumed two bodies.
GH: Oh one thing about this here, You know the complexion of Radharani is like Golden, see Gold you can look at it like it's so pure, isn't Gold like the purest thing? Well materially it isn't but it is considered very valuable, very pure. Lord Krishna took the sentiment of Radha, see the sentiment and the complexion, sentiment is that Love and that Love is so pure, so it's both purity and sentiment see the sentiment of that Love you know his colour became like Golden, this kind of love is so pure, even though its even in this. It shows that the person loves the person so much even though they're married that they will even step over the bounds of even marriage to be with God, which is the greatest, The Lord says look they are giving up everything even chastity like a worldly marriage even or any kind of thing, just to be with me he loves me so much. So her love in that sentiment is there, it had to be for him to taste the extent of the sweetness of Krishna. The more love a person has for God means how much is revealed to that devotee, how much is he forgiven how pure their heart is. Like Jesus when he saw Mary Magdeline, and all his disciples this woman who wasn't even with him she burst into the room with such love and surrender and just her heart was worship right there it just poured out tears. There was such humility. This is very similar to Vraja mood, this surrender and not caring about anything outside social or vedic or that these Pharisees were there she was what she was, she just burst in because of this impulsive love which is very much like Vrndavana. Jesus sees this he says daughter, oh he says to the Pharisees first something about its by the strength of her love that all these sins are forgiven. See those that love most, most is forgiven. I always loved that scene because it reminds me of Vrndavana, I didn't know that until Krishna showed me. I always wondered why I loved that thing! I was wondering why do I love that story and keep repeating it, cause it reminds to Lord in my own heart about Vrndavana and the mood there, thats why he likes it so much and thats why I like it as well I just didn't know it til today. What a revelation huh guys thankyou! (laughter)
Arjaya: Hare Krishna. Prabhu I have to run but I want you to know how much I really appreciate being here and the association of the Sangha. Hugh I miss you guys so much already and I'm not even gone. Hare Krishna
GH: OK Its OK you gotta do what you gotta do. Hey its hard to go to church everyday eh? OK  go ahead whoever wants to..
Meena: Radha and Krishna are one and the same but they have assumed two bodies. Thus they enjoy one another tasting the mellows of Love. Now to enjoy Rasa they have appeared in one body as Chaitanya Mahaprabhu.
GH: You see this is another thing, to taste the mellows of Bhakti, the mellows of Rasa you need two things, you need the taster and you need the sweetness. You need that love and you need the Lord who is filled with sweetness, see thats why if the devotee isn't there, this is that Mayavadi thing they just want to be God, alone. See they don't know the mellows of Love of being a worshiper of that Love because then the Rasa just increases to a wonderful level, not just this equality with God. Even the Lord wants to interact with his devotee, because ther's this transformation of this meeting of the devotee the love and the beloved oo the Rasa is so wonderful. And any devotee knows that, and if you don't know that consciously now but you will hear this its the devotee meeting Krishna see and as that develops into taste and a deeper taste into ecstasy and love you see how neccesary it is for both, to relish the mellows of Rasa. This is what the Lord wants to give, he wants everybody to accept, Raganuga Bhakti this ability to enjoy the highest taste.
Meena: Therefore I shall first delineanate the position of Radha and Krishna for that glory of Lord Chaitanya to be known. Srimati Radhika is the transformation of Krishnas Love, she is his internal energy called Ladini. That Ladini energy gives Krishna pleasure and nourishes his devotees.
GH: You see, thats the personified form is this love, that gives Krishna pleasure without this Ladini without that Ladini aspect Krishna cannot relish. See he needs his devotees so that he can relish. And the devotees they need Krishna so that they can come alive and experience what real happiness is beyond his shadow thing that they are addicted to in this world. This is so that it is a mutual relation of happiness, thats why the Lord always comes to deliver others to this relation. Both are needed, the Lord is in the hearts of everybody and he can't really enjoy happiness until the living entity comes onto this path of tasting his spiritual potency. Learning how to taste it, learning that, this is what we are teaching kind of this Bhakti Yoga how to taste Krishnas association. And make him happy and then you are happy automatically. Sorry..
Meena: His body is eternal Sat full of knowledge Chit and full of Bliss Ananda, his one spiritual energy manifests in three forms. Ladini is his -
GH: No, you know, by the way You gotta you know these verses are so deep so if something comes you really got to talk you gotta really understand these things. See alot of people are just going for this one energy this eternality see thats the path of liberation, let me become one with God and become immortal, see they just want that. But devotional service it gets you into the combination of experiencing the full nature of God, see thats the Ladini is awakened by the association of devotees. So that awakens ultimately if you follow the path of vaidi Bhakti and you associate increasingly and more with devotees who are more elevated to the point where this love awakens, see this love awakens now you can relish you can pick up the Bhagavad Gita you can see the deeper purport and all of this. And just by relishing liberation follows see you are going in the front door and not in the back door. Cause if you go into liberation it takes a long time, and then you gotta meet a Vaisnava to find out what is beyond liberation. So you can just cut all that out, just do what they call trim the fat and just go right to the cheese, go right to the essence. The door is the door, by getting association with the devotee, our love awakens then we have the ability to taste the valuable jewels in the scriptures and this liberation is automatic just from the taste. You won't feel like, No boredom, no pain, all this misery all this stuff is gone. Miracles start happening in your life gradually when you get deep strong taste and everything...